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		<title>By: Outraged</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Outraged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you <i>did</i> respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Totally Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Totally Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this post is such nonsense i'm not even going to take the time to respond to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this post is such nonsense i&#8217;m not even going to take the time to respond to it.</p>
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		<title>By: ubrayj02</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>ubrayj02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - we need to add more lanes. MORE BIKE LANES.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree - we need to add more lanes. MORE BIKE LANES.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Judd Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term "default," I would imagine, translates to greater than 50% of transportation spending.  Are you arguing that roads, highways, bridges, tunnels, etc. should receive &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; than 50% of transportation spending?

How does that work if 88% of Americans currently drive to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;default,&#8221; I would imagine, translates to greater than 50% of transportation spending.  Are you arguing that roads, highways, bridges, tunnels, etc. should receive <i>less</i> than 50% of transportation spending?</p>
<p>How does that work if 88% of Americans currently drive to work?</p>
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		<title>By: hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By 'default' I meant the default mode of transportation we should subsidize and build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8216;default&#8217; I meant the default mode of transportation we should subsidize and build.</p>
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		<title>By: Judd Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The motor vehicle is &lt;i&gt;absolutely&lt;/i&gt; the default.

Here's the &lt;a href="http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/010230.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;2005 census data&lt;/a&gt; on how Americans get to work:

77.0% Drive Alone
10.7% Carpool
4.7% Mass Transit
3.6% Telecommute
2.5% Walk
0.9% Other Means
0.4% Bike
0.2% Motorcycle
0.1% Taxi

Also: I &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; said that "failure to adequately build mass transit and bicycle facilities is okay." What are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The motor vehicle is <i>absolutely</i> the default.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/010230.html" rel="nofollow">2005 census data</a> on how Americans get to work:</p>
<p>77.0% Drive Alone<br />
10.7% Carpool<br />
4.7% Mass Transit<br />
3.6% Telecommute<br />
2.5% Walk<br />
0.9% Other Means<br />
0.4% Bike<br />
0.2% Motorcycle<br />
0.1% Taxi</p>
<p>Also: I <em>never</em> said that &#8220;failure to adequately build mass transit and bicycle facilities is okay.&#8221; What are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: hmm</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, failure to pave the earth is social engineering, but failure to adequately build mass transit and bicycle facilities is ok?  Why assume that the motor vehicle is the default?

You really ought to go back and *read* some of the studies on induced demand.  That's one thing that those "egghead professors" have that you don't -- knowledge.

And drop the faux populism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, failure to pave the earth is social engineering, but failure to adequately build mass transit and bicycle facilities is ok?  Why assume that the motor vehicle is the default?</p>
<p>You really ought to go back and *read* some of the studies on induced demand.  That&#8217;s one thing that those &#8220;egghead professors&#8221; have that you don&#8217;t &#8212; knowledge.</p>
<p>And drop the faux populism.</p>
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		<title>By: Judd Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing:

Bureaucrats often cite "induced demand" as an excuse for not further expanding capacity, which is one reason why population growth has far exceeded capacity expansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing:</p>
<p>Bureaucrats often cite &#8220;induced demand&#8221; as an excuse for not further expanding capacity, which is one reason why population growth has far exceeded capacity expansion.</p>
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		<title>By: Judd Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, induced demand. The entire argument boils down to the following: If you build more highways, people will just use them!

I have a hypothesis of my own, called "induced congestion."

&lt;i&gt;When you expand highway capacity at a lower rate than population growth (while providing no acceptable alternative), the only possible outcome is more congestion and misery (unless everyone stops commuting or moves away from the area).&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, induced demand. The entire argument boils down to the following: If you build more highways, people will just use them!</p>
<p>I have a hypothesis of my own, called &#8220;induced congestion.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>When you expand highway capacity at a lower rate than population growth (while providing no acceptable alternative), the only possible outcome is more congestion and misery (unless everyone stops commuting or moves away from the area).</i></p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand</a></p>
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		<title>By: Person With a Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.commuteroutrage.com/2008/06/10/build-more-lanes-please/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Person With a Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your arguments make no sense. 

Increases in VMT are largely due to sprawl development and, as you note, population growth. But mostly sprawl. Population growth in NE Ohio, for example, has been relatively static and has even gone down in some spots, but VMT has increased significantly. That's because we've built a transport infrastructure and encouraged a development pattern that makes people drive more. You say that increasing VMT is a reason why we need to increase roadway capacity. Yet, widening highways doesn't help to reduce VMT. It does the opposite. So, you'll add another lane, VMT will increase again and you'll call for yet another lane. 

Likewise, high population density doesn't automatically necessitate more roadway capacity for private automobiles. NYC, the most populous city in North America, would never be able to move millions of daily commuters in and out of its central business district if they were all dependent on transporting themselves via private automobile. A growing population is not a justification for increasing roadway capacity. If we followed your "thinking" to its absurd logical conclusion then we'd pave all of NYC to provide the necessary road capacity and parking to serve its 8 million residents and save them from the traffic congestion they'd generate every time a fraction of them wanted to run out and purchase a quart of milk. 

Stick to name-calling and outrage, Judd. Maybe go sit in some traffic and slam your fist into the dashboard a few times. Leave policy and planning to the Eggheads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your arguments make no sense. </p>
<p>Increases in VMT are largely due to sprawl development and, as you note, population growth. But mostly sprawl. Population growth in NE Ohio, for example, has been relatively static and has even gone down in some spots, but VMT has increased significantly. That&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve built a transport infrastructure and encouraged a development pattern that makes people drive more. You say that increasing VMT is a reason why we need to increase roadway capacity. Yet, widening highways doesn&#8217;t help to reduce VMT. It does the opposite. So, you&#8217;ll add another lane, VMT will increase again and you&#8217;ll call for yet another lane. </p>
<p>Likewise, high population density doesn&#8217;t automatically necessitate more roadway capacity for private automobiles. NYC, the most populous city in North America, would never be able to move millions of daily commuters in and out of its central business district if they were all dependent on transporting themselves via private automobile. A growing population is not a justification for increasing roadway capacity. If we followed your &#8220;thinking&#8221; to its absurd logical conclusion then we&#8217;d pave all of NYC to provide the necessary road capacity and parking to serve its 8 million residents and save them from the traffic congestion they&#8217;d generate every time a fraction of them wanted to run out and purchase a quart of milk. </p>
<p>Stick to name-calling and outrage, Judd. Maybe go sit in some traffic and slam your fist into the dashboard a few times. Leave policy and planning to the Eggheads.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand</a></p>
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